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Title: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: medic54 on January 26, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
Hi Guys! Im very new at this.. I really want to own a Vespa.. Why? Well just like any new guys reason, just to have the swagger of owning one.. I've been thinking of buying a motorcycle for leisure purposes, and frankly, big displacement bikes are on top of my list.. But when me and my fiancee saw a vespa when watching a movie once, we agreed that vespa is what we're looking for.. Classic, exclusive, elegant.. and its a vespa!! (Im sure you guys know what I mean)

Here comes the problem, I visited Scooter Depot just the other day, and instead of seeing vespa scooters, I saw Stella scooters.. I don't really know anything about stella, I started to think its really just a knockoff of the original vespa.. Did a couple of researches on the web, and honestly, from finally figuring out what to buy, i ended up getting confused.. Scooter Depot also sold all kinds of vespa badges.. Now I'm thinking of buying a Stella and rebadge it to Vespa (like I said, I dont know if Stella is a good brand here locally) Is that a good idea? Has anyone tried that?

One last thing.. If I buy a 2nd hand Vespa PX150, how will I know that its not a rebadged Stella? I really hope vespa gurus will enlighten me on this.. Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: Daddy D on January 26, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
Welcome to Vespinoy!

Firstly, I don't think you can go wrong if you buy the 4-stroke Stella.  Of course, I am biased because I also have a Stella.  Now on the matter of rebadging it, I would not do it, but its really your own personal decision.  Some people have rebadged other scoots as Vespas.  Btw, I also have 2 Vespas.

If you have the chance to join the round-ups, am sure that the guys will be able to help you with your other questions.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: doomzday on January 26, 2012, 10:07:15 PM
welcome to vespinoy medic54. 

first, only you and you alone can answer your questions.  you can do some more research thru the web or join some weekly round ups and chat with us so you can get inputs personally.  this topic has been debated for a long time already.  vespa, vitto, star de luxe or stella...it's still a classic-looking scooter.  all these scoots, original vespa or rebadged are accepted in the community.  don't worry about the branding, it's the attitude towards the hobby which separates us from the rest.

second, the scoots in scooter depot and 2211 are 4 stroke LML stellas.  new technology with the classic design.  you can't go wrong with them.  motoitalia (vespa dealer in manila) has several modern-automatic vespas and recently introduced the 2011 PX model.  you may want to visit their showroom in greenhills as well.

lastly, these are the obvious choices you must make

1.  2 stroke of 4 stroke
2.  Piaggio or LML
3.  automatic (modern vespa) or geared (classic)
4.  vintage? ---> now that's pushing too much hahaha


ps..
the chassis or body number and the engine number will show you if the scooter is original Vespa PX or a vitto.  you can check how to look for these digits thru scooterhelp.com

HTH and goodluck in your quest
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: medic54 on January 26, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
Welcome to Vespinoy!

Firstly, I don't think you can go wrong if you buy the 4-stroke Stella.  Of course, I am biased because I also have a Stella.  Now on the matter of rebadging it, I would not do it, but its really your own personal decision.  Some people have rebadged other scoots as Vespas.  Btw, I also have 2 Vespas.

If you have the chance to join the round-ups, am sure that the guys will be able to help you with your other questions.


Hi Sir! Thanks for the fast reply.. Yeah I saw your video sir. Congratz on being the 1st to own a Stella.
Don't you think you wouldn't mind not rebadging your stella coz you already own 2 vespas? hehe. :)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: medic54 on January 26, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
welcome to vespinoy medic54. 

first, only you and you alone can answer your questions.  you can do some more research thru the web or join some weekly round ups and chat with us so you can get inputs personally.  this topic has been debated for a long time already.  vespa, vitto, star de luxe or stella...it's still a classic-looking scooter.  all these scoots, original vespa or rebadged are accepted in the community.  don't worry about the branding, it's the attitude towards the hobby which separates us from the rest.

second, the scoots in scooter depot and 2211 are 4 stroke LML stellas.  new technology with the classic design.  you can't go wrong with them.  motoitalia (vespa dealer in manila) has several modern-automatic vespas and recently introduced the 2011 PX model.  you may want to visit their showroom in greenhills as well.

lastly, these are the obvious choices you must make

1.  2 stroke of 4 stroke
2.  Piaggio or LML
3.  automatic (modern vespa) or geared (classic)
4.  vintage? ---> now that's pushing too much hahaha


ps..
the chassis or body number and the engine number will show you if the scooter is original Vespa PX or a vitto.  you can check how to look for these digits thru scooterhelp.com

HTH and goodluck in your quest


Hi sir! Thanks for the input. Im glad to know that everyone is accepted in the vespa community. I've been reading alot of great revies of the Stella, local as well as international forums. Im already leaning towards buying a Stella because of the good reviews. The only problem is.. "its not a vespa". Honestly sir, is there a "sort of" discrimination towards LML PX or Stella (thats the same right?.. not really sure.. hehe) Or to be more precise someone who has a rebadged vespa. I saw an ad for a 1999 Vespa PX150 and its around 50k cheaper than the brand new Stella.. Sheessh.. This is really confusing.. Anyway, thanks again sir..
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: vespinoy on January 26, 2012, 11:26:12 PM
Firstly welcome to the forum.  Either scoot you choose will be the right one for you.

Discrimination you say?  I honestly don't think there is.  There are those who prefer the original Vespas as comapred to the non-Vespas but I certainly don't think they will discriminate based on your choice.  Remember it's your choice to buy what you want and nobody in the community can fault you for that.  This I can assure you, we will welcome you with open arms no matter what you choose be it a PX. Stella,  Vitto, GT, GTS or whatever kahit na Mio, Nuovo.  The brotherhood does not begin and certainly does not depend on the kind of scoot you have but on the kind of person you are towards your fellow rider.  Simple lang.

Now let's ride!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: randypogi on January 27, 2012, 06:15:22 AM
very well said vespinoy!  :)

my advice..."bili na!"  ;)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: direkyey on January 27, 2012, 07:55:44 AM
Welcome to the forum.

I would say that if you want a Vespa, then get a Vespa. The Vespa is where all the Vespinoys started their love affair with the classic European styled scooter. It carries with it a heritage that goes way way back. If you have read the different threads here about rides, you would see that it is very durable and endure the requirements that is needed for long rides. Members in this forum have gone around our country on their Vespas.

The Stella 4-stroke, on the other hand, although not a Vespa has adapted its style. It is a product which was created and developed to answer a need by its developer who is the Genuine Scooter Company based in Chicago, USA. The 4-stroke engine that it has complies to the strict emission laws in the USA. Although made in India (where a lot of motorcycles and scooters are made nowadays), the research to develop it was funded by the GSC. Yes, it is not a Vespa. The Stella is a scooter that has adapted the classic European styling but comes with a greener engine. I say that you give it a chance. I hope that if you get one that you would be proud to say that you own a Stella.

Please remember also that whatever your choice may be, you would be welcome in this community. Have fun choosing, sir. See you at the round-ups and ride safe.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: lex on January 27, 2012, 08:19:22 AM
If you're getting a Stella, don't rebadge... may history yan on its own... May kwento... be proud!

Goodluck!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: embryo31 on January 27, 2012, 09:07:41 AM
go go go. bili na ng scoot at mag ride at mag-round up.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: vespene gas on January 27, 2012, 09:31:41 AM
go get the stella sir! then, if you think you still need a VESPA BRAND, go get a 50's or 60's classic.

i had that dilemma too. choosing from a classic 60's vespa and an indian-made PX clone was a tough choice. but, the new dog won (parts availability!).

i bought the LML "vitto" 2 stroke. i rebadged it to "Vespa" immediately when i got it from EMC. i did it because i always wanted a vespa - so i got one (in my minds eye, haha). now, i'm thinking of rebadging it to stella. why? ..just because, i want it. it's my ride.

the vitto is my daily ride since 2008 or 2009. i've only replaced the clutch cable and nothing else. regular maintenance routine keeps it healthy. i've sold my car because i have no more time driving it - it's much fun riding a scoot.

so, to rebadge or not rebadge, it's your choice!
image is nothing - performance is everything.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: air_dude on January 27, 2012, 09:35:05 AM
If you're getting a Stella, don't rebadge... may history yan on its own... May kwento... be proud!

Goodluck!

+1
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: vessy14 on January 27, 2012, 09:54:39 AM
go for the stella!:)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: hedkandi77 on January 27, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Just like you, I'm new at this hobby and getting addicted to it.

If you're primary concern for rebadging is the discrimination, I dare say that there's none at all.

I have been fortunate to ride with long time vespa hobbyists and I have not heard anyone say anything negative about the stella or even LMLs.

In fact most of them are actually considering getting one when the opportunity arises

The stella in itself is a great brand with a proud heritage. No need to rebadge it.

Congrats in advance!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: boybig on January 27, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
ang gaganda ng sagot dito!!! newbie rin ako and a proud stella owner... i also thought of buying the motoitalia px pero at 100k more baka mabugbog na ako ni misis!! pero if ok lang sayo to pay 100k more, then go for the vespa!... ika nga, kung san ka maligaya di ba?

basta ako happyng happy sa stella  ;D ;D ;D

ika nga ni manong johnny, "gusto ko happy ka!"  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: HEAVY on January 27, 2012, 12:06:58 PM
It's not what you ride.  It's that you ride.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: ryandude on January 27, 2012, 12:23:50 PM
Oh right then let's roll and ride.....


Welcome to vespinoy community chief medic54!!!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: My Pepe on January 27, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
No two Vespas are alike i.e. no 2 scooters are alike, not even the brand new ones.

Your problem is just the tip of the iceberg.

Your first problem is owning one first, the bigger problem is collecting. It's very addictive.
And just like you said you married, you and your wife agreed to the Vespa, then you have to buy her one too.

as Manu Sandejas famous words "sira ang ulo ang nag-mo-motor ng walang helmet"

Apir!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: Gestapo on January 28, 2012, 08:39:15 AM
The Stella recently was awarded 2011 Scooter of the Year from Motorcycle.com if I may add  ;)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: indianpana on January 28, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
eto mga choices:

1. Piaggio - Vespa PX 150 & Vespa PX 200 (2-stroke) *italy
(available in 2nd hand)

2. LML - Vitto 150 & Star De Luxe 150 (2-stroke) *india
(available in 2nd hand)

3. GSC - Stella 150 (4-stroke) *US
(available in brand new)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: vespinoy on January 28, 2012, 12:22:50 PM
Quote
1. Piaggio - Vespa PX 150 & Vespa PX 200 (2-stroke) *italy
(available in 2nd hand)

The PX 150 is available brand new from MotoItalia
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: indianpana on January 29, 2012, 01:28:18 AM
haha!. sorry boss bimbs, di ko nasama yung units ng Moto Italia.. :D
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: medic54 on January 30, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
Thanks sa mga advice mga sirs! Sobra naapreciate ko at mas madami na kong info ngayon to consider things.. I think I'l just go for the original vespa.. Sana lang meron akong mahanap na PX in good condition pa at a considerable price.. Baka meron po kayong marerecommend.. Salamat po ult.. Dont worry magkikita kita din tayo sa finals mga sirs!!! :)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: vespinoy on January 30, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
ah the good conditioned, good price conundrum.  I wish you all the best sir!!
Whatever you get I'm sure you'll be happy.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: rastaman on January 31, 2012, 07:39:21 AM
panalo yun 4stroke stella  :) 2 thumbs up kay mukesh
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: green wasp on January 31, 2012, 12:36:58 PM
welcome sa vespinoy medic!!! basa-basa lang sa previous threads para magkaidea ka ano maganda para sa iyo,basta kahit ano mapili mo welcome na welcome ka dito sa community!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: Hornyspear on March 13, 2012, 01:53:16 PM
Congrats Medic! IMHO It's not the ride, it's the back rider :-)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: the_Nong on July 26, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
greetings!

i'd rather keep things in all of it's original state. some people do this on a guitar, fooling themselves that it is a 'Gibson' guitar but, he and only he knows that it's not.

if you have a Vespa, then it is a Vespa. if you have a Stella, then it's a Stella, and be proud of it. if i have the money to get one, i will...


my two centavos worth.. hihihi.. Godspeed!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: zachster on October 02, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
If i may.. my 5 pesos. Discrimination will always be there. It may not be displayed openly, but it can exist, and thrive in ones self. Nobody wants to be belittled, disrespected, or thought any less than the next Joe. And it is this thought, and principle that can drive one to make a decision, or a choice between Product A or B. Discrimination is born out of preference, it is born out of the desire to be associated with the best, (as decided by society) i.e "mas type ko vespa kasi vespa eh..deyn na ang iba" or "why rebadge? kung stella/lml/ then stick with  it (the very act of not rebadging can  itself be an act of pride and of bias towards stella/lml and can be construed as discriminatory, the inverse holds true) to "sorry i cant hire you coz you are over 35yo and male..were looking for  an accountant between 22yo to 34yo female eh " who's to say and judge a 40yo male accountant cant do the job? In the U.S its illegal to to put restrictions on age  and gender for jobs (not all of course, like pro wrestling, the olympics, etc)

       Lets face it.. we have a vespa coz its a vespa and because of anything and everything that goes with it. Pride of ownership? Syempre. How many times in stop lights have we said in our minds as we see an underbone pull up next to us "duy ng ride mo men, il never be caught dead riding one" (you don't even have to say it in your mind..you can just think it..). I mean a guy in a ducatti can think the same thing of you and your Vespa and a guy in a Harley can think that of of the guy riding the Ducatti, and a guy in a mio can say "bagal nyong lahat! mio parin!".. Preference. Discrimination.

We dont see many Rousers riding it out with the Mad Dog crew nor do we see a mad Dog Crew member drinking beer on a friday night with the bangkal boys riding club. is this scenario possible? of course. does it happen a lot? no. Preference. Discrimination

Nobody will openly admit it. Not all will even be aware they are already discriminating. Most of the time its a mind issue, and frankly speaking it should stay there..otherwise, away yan.
Preference and Discrimination. There a very very fine line. :)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: iCeMaN on October 02, 2012, 09:31:15 PM
You have a point zach. But for me, same line naman ang mga scoots natin. Lml, piaggio, vespa, stella or gilera etc etc. Parepareho lang naman. Galing sila lahat sa isang concept. We all have shared same passion with our rides. In my honest opinion, its not the bike that set us apart, it is the riders and culture to which riders belong to. No offense to all the riders, just a fact.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: gwafu on October 11, 2012, 08:43:46 AM
Agree ako dito kay zachster.
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: green wasp on October 11, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
makapag rebadge nga rin from px to lml naman para maiba...:)
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: ryandude on October 11, 2012, 06:24:55 PM
makapag rebadge nga rin from px to lml naman para maiba...:)


Sige rebadge mo na chief...
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: iCeMaN on October 11, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
makapag rebadge nga rin from px to lml naman para maiba...:)

PWEDE!!!
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: projectV on October 11, 2012, 11:53:18 PM
ako pinagsama-sama ko na lahat ng badges ;D
Title: Re: Rebadge Stella as Vespa?
Post by: iCeMaN on October 12, 2012, 09:22:19 AM
ako pinagsama-sama ko na lahat ng badges ;D

ikabit lahat ng badges. ALL IN!