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Title: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 08, 2013, 04:08:54 PM
just asking?  i still have one helmet that needs it?
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 10, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
i just saw the news, no chance na pala talaga...sayang.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: Gestapo on January 11, 2013, 04:26:11 PM
I just came from meeting with DOTC in which DTI was there also. They even went as far as saying that you will have to undergo the rigid testing of the helmets from now on. In other words even if you bought the top of the line Arai helmet that almost costs a whole motorcycle, and has the highest international standard given and even used in very high speed racing, is still no good. You have to undergo rigid testing pa daw same like the manufacturers do. That statement came from the director himself. Daming butas ng batas na ito hilaw na hilaw, they can't even focus on having people wear helmets and here they are speaking about the standards which is actually just a placebo
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: silver2tone on January 11, 2013, 05:49:23 PM
My solution: Retire old helmets without the sticker buy new ones! I bought two helmets in the past 3 months :) I even think that helmets produced/sold today are not as 'tough' as the ones I owned 5 years ago.  Talking about brands like: Zeus, Nolan, Caberg, AGV,...
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: randypogi on January 11, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
i also retired my 10+ year old helmets and got a new one. :-) 

ang mura ng LS2!
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: doomzday on January 11, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
kawawa na naman ang pilipinong rider.  yung iba walang pambili ng bagong helmet eh. 
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 11, 2013, 10:21:19 PM
yeah mines an arai thats FIA approved, kaya nanghihinayang ako...oh well, time to save up for a new one
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: direkpal on January 12, 2013, 02:18:30 PM
tinutulungan ng DTI i-promote ang mga locally-manufactured na helmet.
900 pesos daw ang open-face, 1k+ ang full-face.
PS standards-approved na daw.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: dragonboy1 on January 12, 2013, 04:21:43 PM
a friend of mine just came home from a eurotrip and he just arrived a few days ago with a vespa brand helmet...

pano ang rules ng DTI about this one? i mean, hindi na ba niya magagamit ito dahil it was purchased abroad and there's no way to get an icc sticker for it na?
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: direkpal on January 12, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
this whole topic was on DZMM's KONSYUMER ATBP this morning.
the DTI representative in charge of the helmet stickering thing said that there will not be an extension or grace period anymore, despite numerous requests from the motorcycle-riding community (there was one guy from said community on the show who actually asked whether the DTI would grant it).

so, mike, unless your friend knows someone in DTI who can do something about it, the answer is to your question
is no.

if it's any consolation to your friend, i have 3 helmets that i wasn't able to get stickered.
so i'll have to bite the bullet and get new, inexpensive helmets instead, like randy and corrine.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 12, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
this whole topic was on DZMM's KONSYUMER ATBP this morning.
the DTI representative in charge of the helmet stickering thing said that there will not be an extension or grace period anymore, despite numerous requests from the motorcycle-riding community (there was one guy from said community on the show who actually asked whether the DTI would grant it).

so, mike, unless your friend knows someone in DTI who can do something about it, the answer is to your question
is no.

if it's any consolation to your friend, i have 3 helmets that i wasn't able to get stickered.
so i'll have to bite the bullet and get new, inexpensive helmets instead, like randy and corrine.

hmmm, somebody out there must be making money out of this
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: direkpal on January 12, 2013, 05:11:49 PM
in fairness to the DTI representative, they did give us 6 months, and there were constant reminders of this.

kasalanan na natin kung di nga tayo nakapagpa-sticker.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: dragonboy1 on January 12, 2013, 05:16:10 PM
hindi na pala tayo pwede bumili ng helmets abroad...sayang.

i've heard from one of my officemates that there are stickers being sold at 300 bucks a pop. ewan ko lang kung totoo.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 12, 2013, 05:18:44 PM
in fairness to the DTI representative, they did give us 6 months, and there were constant reminders of this.

kasalanan na natin kung di nga tayo nakapagpa-sticker.
yes true that. just swallow the pill. time to save up:(

i saw the interview on TV last wednesday ata yun, alam na ng mmda yung binebenta and other "styles".  so mahirap din yan
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: corlioni on January 12, 2013, 05:30:03 PM
meron nga Mike, the amount depends on where it is available. finally, corruption rears its ugly head. grabe. btw i saw the cheap local ones sa Quiapo. smaller ang hardshell, maganda at first glance, end. the cushion, moving parts, chin strap and construction technology are 10 years back. you'd love the baduy Index brand kung ito rin lang ang katapat.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 12, 2013, 05:44:04 PM
meron nga Mike, the amount depends on where it is available

legit sticker?
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: randypogi on January 12, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
LS2 helmets na lang! hehehe...bili ko sa fullface PHP 2,750.00.  ang half face around PHP 1,800.00.

i heard sa abs cbn news, that only LTO ang pwede manghuli sa ICC stickers for now. 
no need to present an ICC document receipt when you are flagged down.  However,
para walang issue, have your DTI ICC sticker receipt xerox together with your OR CR during inspection.

2 cents....

Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: Gestapo on January 13, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
The receipt or whatever supporting document is not required as mentioned in the meeting and it is being cascaded down. The agencies that have enforcers present in the meeting are MMDA, LTO, PNP, no representation from the Local Government Units. During the meeting, what has been revealed is that they are each trying to get a piece of the action, MMDA and LGU (who are not present but has been reports of apprehension already). The law states that only LTO and those deputized by them should be the ones only allowed. It involves training, qualification, accountability among others. In short there is a procedure. They "should" have an ID coming from the LTO despite having their own unforms. However, in particular, the LGU have their so called lawmaking powers themselves, in which they can create an ordinance that will allow themselves to apprehend. See how this gets messy even for me who's already in the meeting magulo na ang usapan, what more to the people who have no idea who's allowed to apprehend. I can say IMO it's mostly about the revenue from that point. And for the stickering, it's unfair for the people who would want to buy unknown but helmets with 10x more quality and price be not allowed in the streets to be used (Scuberth, Airoh, etc.) . Lumalabas mas magaling pa sila sa DOT, Snell, and ECE standards. However if someone insists, just tell them calmly and confidently that you will adjudicate and pasensiyahan na lang. They would always let you go.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: johnadoo on January 13, 2013, 01:54:08 PM
During the meeting, what has been revealed is that they are each trying to get a piece of the action..... I can say IMO it's mostly about the revenue from that point. And for the stickering, it's unfair for the people who would want to buy unknown but helmets with 10x more quality and price be not allowed in the streets to be used (Scuberth, Airoh, etc.) . Lumalabas mas magaling pa sila sa DOT, Snell, and ECE standards.

exactly. revenue. lets see in the next few months what will happen
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: Gestapo on January 13, 2013, 02:31:17 PM
Copy-Paste from Martin Misa https://www.facebook.com/groups/mcrightsorg/permalink/597264273633117/

Martin Misa
KARAPATAN ISSUE #1

PWEDE BA GUMAWA NG BATAS NA IPAGBABAWAL ANG LAHAT NG PANGIT? KAHIT BIGYAN NG PALUGIT NG ISANG TAON PARA MAGPARETOKE KAY BELLO?

HINDI
Ang sabi ng Saligang Batas natin, walang batas na ilalatag na gagawing krimen o violation ang isang bagay na andun na bago pa ilataq ang batas. Iyan ay ang pagbabawal sa Ex Post Facto Law.

The 1987 Constitution of the Philippines categorically prohibits the passing of any ex post facto law. Article III (Bill of Rights), Section 22 specifically states: "No ex post facto law or bill of attainder shall be enacted."

Iyan ang isang malinaw na pang-aapi sa isang rider na dati nang may isang lehitimo, matibay at napakahusay na helmet na walang lintek na ICC sticker na iyan.

KARAPATAN ISSUE #2

MAARI BANG PATAWAN NG ISANG BATAS ANG ISANG MAMAMAYAN NG PILIPINAS NG TATLONG ARAW NG KANYANG SWELDO DAHIL BUTAS ANG SINELAS NIYA?

HINDI
Ang sabi ng Saligang Batas natin, bawal ang pumataw ng malaking halaga na penalty o fine sa mamamayan ng Pilipinas.

Section 19. (1) Excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel, degrading or inhuman punishment inflicted.

Isipin mo, nabura ang serial number ng ICC o di kaya gumamit ng ibang helmet na walang ICC. Tatlong araw nila gugutumin ang isang pamilya ng isang legitimate minimum wager? Eh kung below minimum pa siya o di kaya jobless? Mabuti din kung ang gubyerno ay hindi laging pakabig at ginagastosan ang ospital o libing ng minalas na rider. Baka pumayag ang mga rider kung ang Helmet Law ay tunay ngang ginawa dahil sa kagustuhan nung mambabatas na alagaan ang rider, lahat ng fine ay dapat sa pondo ng mga rider's benefits - pagawa ng exclusive MC lane, exemption sa emission test, hospital and death benefits, anti-motorcycle theft programs, etc. Ang problema, laging rider ang kinokotongan pero walang balik kahit Bilyon ang malilikom ng batas na ito.

KARAPATAN ISSUE #3

MAY PAKIALAM BA ANG SINUMAN KUNG TANGGALIN MO ANG STICKER NA ICC SA ISANG BUMBILYA NA NABILI MO NA AT PERSONAL NA PAG-AARI MO NA?

WALA
Pag nabili mo na ang gamit, pati ang sticker nun, iyo.

Art. 427. Ownership may be exercised over things or rights. (n)
Art. 428. The owner has the right to enjoy and dispose of a thing, without other limitations than those established by law.

SUPORTAHAN ANG SENATE BILL 3331 NA NAG-AAMIYENDA NG RA 10054 NA HELMET LAW. IPAGLABAN NATIN ANG AMIYENDA. WORK IN PROGRESS PO ITO DAHIL PAGDEDENATEHAN PA. HINDI FINAL ANG SINALANG NI SEN. HONASAN NA AMIYENDA. MAARI PA ITONG IHULMA SA NAAAYON SA KARAPATAN NG ISANG MAMAMAYAN NG PILIPINAS - TULAD NG EARMARKING NG PERA SA PENALTIES PARA SA RIDER.

HINDI TAYO KONTRA SA NEGOSYANTE NG HELMET. HINDI RIN TAYO KONTRA HELMET. AYUSIN AT PLANTSAHIN LANG ANG BATAS AT MASAYA NA TAYO.

IKAW LANG AT ANG KARAPATAN MO. WALANG POLITIKA, WALANG PAPALINGAN. WALANG IBANG IPAGLALABAN. AYUN LANG NGA, KAILANGAN MAGKA-ISA PARA MADINIG ANG PANG-AAPI SA RIDER.

KAMPIHAN MO MUNA ANG SARILI MO BAGO KA KUMAMPI SA MRO. SUBAYBAYAN ANG DARATING NA ANNOUNCEMENTS SA RIDE AT HINDING HINDI KA MAARING WALA DITO, RIDER. IPAGLABAN MO ANG KARAPATAN MO AT KARANGALAN ANG IPAGLABAN MO ANG KARAPATAN NG KAPATID MO!
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: projectV on January 14, 2013, 07:16:53 AM
Copy-Paste from Martin Misa https://www.facebook.com/groups/mcrightsorg/permalink/597264273633117/

Martin Misa
KARAPATAN ISSUE #1

PWEDE BA GUMAWA NG BATAS NA IPAGBABAWAL ANG LAHAT NG PANGIT? KAHIT BIGYAN NG PALUGIT NG ISANG TAON PARA MAGPARETOKE KAY BELLO?

HINDI
Ang sabi ng Saligang Batas natin, walang batas na ilalatag na gagawing krimen o violation ang isang bagay na andun na bago pa ilataq ang batas. Iyan ay ang pagbabawal sa Ex Post Facto Law.

The 1987 Constitution of the Philippines categorically prohibits the passing of any ex post facto law. Article III (Bill of Rights), Section 22 specifically states: "No ex post facto law or bill of attainder shall be enacted."

Iyan ang isang malinaw na pang-aapi sa isang rider na dati nang may isang lehitimo, matibay at napakahusay na helmet na walang lintek na ICC sticker na iyan.

KARAPATAN ISSUE #2

MAARI BANG PATAWAN NG ISANG BATAS ANG ISANG MAMAMAYAN NG PILIPINAS NG TATLONG ARAW NG KANYANG SWELDO DAHIL BUTAS ANG SINELAS NIYA?

HINDI
Ang sabi ng Saligang Batas natin, bawal ang pumataw ng malaking halaga na penalty o fine sa mamamayan ng Pilipinas.

Section 19. (1) Excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel, degrading or inhuman punishment inflicted.

Isipin mo, nabura ang serial number ng ICC o di kaya gumamit ng ibang helmet na walang ICC. Tatlong araw nila gugutumin ang isang pamilya ng isang legitimate minimum wager? Eh kung below minimum pa siya o di kaya jobless? Mabuti din kung ang gubyerno ay hindi laging pakabig at ginagastosan ang ospital o libing ng minalas na rider. Baka pumayag ang mga rider kung ang Helmet Law ay tunay ngang ginawa dahil sa kagustuhan nung mambabatas na alagaan ang rider, lahat ng fine ay dapat sa pondo ng mga rider's benefits - pagawa ng exclusive MC lane, exemption sa emission test, hospital and death benefits, anti-motorcycle theft programs, etc. Ang problema, laging rider ang kinokotongan pero walang balik kahit Bilyon ang malilikom ng batas na ito.

KARAPATAN ISSUE #3

MAY PAKIALAM BA ANG SINUMAN KUNG TANGGALIN MO ANG STICKER NA ICC SA ISANG BUMBILYA NA NABILI MO NA AT PERSONAL NA PAG-AARI MO NA?

WALA
Pag nabili mo na ang gamit, pati ang sticker nun, iyo.

Art. 427. Ownership may be exercised over things or rights. (n)
Art. 428. The owner has the right to enjoy and dispose of a thing, without other limitations than those established by law.

SUPORTAHAN ANG SENATE BILL 3331 NA NAG-AAMIYENDA NG RA 10054 NA HELMET LAW. IPAGLABAN NATIN ANG AMIYENDA. WORK IN PROGRESS PO ITO DAHIL PAGDEDENATEHAN PA. HINDI FINAL ANG SINALANG NI SEN. HONASAN NA AMIYENDA. MAARI PA ITONG IHULMA SA NAAAYON SA KARAPATAN NG ISANG MAMAMAYAN NG PILIPINAS - TULAD NG EARMARKING NG PERA SA PENALTIES PARA SA RIDER.

HINDI TAYO KONTRA SA NEGOSYANTE NG HELMET. HINDI RIN TAYO KONTRA HELMET. AYUSIN AT PLANTSAHIN LANG ANG BATAS AT MASAYA NA TAYO.

IKAW LANG AT ANG KARAPATAN MO. WALANG POLITIKA, WALANG PAPALINGAN. WALANG IBANG IPAGLALABAN. AYUN LANG NGA, KAILANGAN MAGKA-ISA PARA MADINIG ANG PANG-AAPI SA RIDER.

KAMPIHAN MO MUNA ANG SARILI MO BAGO KA KUMAMPI SA MRO. SUBAYBAYAN ANG DARATING NA ANNOUNCEMENTS SA RIDE AT HINDING HINDI KA MAARING WALA DITO, RIDER. IPAGLABAN MO ANG KARAPATAN MO AT KARANGALAN ANG IPAGLABAN MO ANG KARAPATAN NG KAPATID MO!

kaya yung mga mambabatas na nagpatupad nito ay di na dapat iboto!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: spank me on January 14, 2013, 03:39:58 PM
sa MOA ako nag pa ICC sticker, wala naman binigay sakin na receipt.
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: corlioni on January 14, 2013, 03:52:20 PM
naubusan yung batch ng kasabay ko sa Highway 54 center. ok naman daw kahit wala. dyan na papasok yun 'alahoy' or tsambahan na hulihan. if ignorante yung nahuli, good bye P1,5. Banana republic pa rin. tsk
Title: Re: wala na ba talagang pwedeng makuhanan ng ICC sticker?
Post by: zachster on January 17, 2013, 01:27:54 AM
sulit. may nag bebenta ng sticker.price between 200-400 bucks..